Dowsing

topic posted Mon, November 3, 2008 - 9:12 AM by  offlineHank
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As a boy, on the vast expanse of what was the family farm, my father took me out to a field near a creek. He told me that many years ago clay pipes were put under the ground to drain the marshland and make it useful as a field. Some of the pipes must of cracked over the years and we needed to dowse to find the broken pipes which were leading to the field being too wet to cultivate.

He gave me two metal bars shaped like the letter "L" and told me to hold them chest high loosly (with the long ends sticking straight out in front of me) and to walk back and forth in the field. Whenever the bars would move outward, he dug a hole and replaced the clay pipe. A few days ago I was talking with a friend about dowsing (he had seen a show on tv about it). He explainined it's an old wives tale and that there is no science behind it. When I told him about my experience as boy he seemed to change his tune.

Does anybody here know if there is any scientific reason for the metal bars to move outward when above water?
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Hank
Chicago
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  • Re: Dowsing

    Mon, November 3, 2008 - 3:21 PM
    don't know but I love your story... nice imagery (I'd guess you were about 11 years old)
    • Re: Dowsing

      Tue, November 4, 2008 - 9:50 AM
      From the wikipedia entry on Dowsing:

      Evidence
      In a scientific study in Munich 1987-1988 by Hans-Dieter Betz and other scientists, 500 dowsers were initially tested for their "skill", and the experimenters selected the best 43 among them. These 43 were then tested the following way. On the ground floor of a two-story barn, water was pumped through a pipe. Before each test, the pipe was moved in a direction perpendicular to the water flow. On the upper floor, each dowser was asked to determine the position of the pipe. Over two years, the 43 dowsers performed 843 such tests. Of the 43 pre-selected and extensively tested candidates, at least 37 of them showed no dowsing ability. The results from the remaining 6 were said to be better than chance, resulting in the experimenters' conclusion that some dowsers "in particular tasks, showed an extraordinarily high rate of success, which can scarcely if at all be explained as due to chance ... a real core of dowser-phenomena can be regarded as empirically proven"[6]

      Five years after the Munich study was published, scientist Jim T. Enright contended that these results are merely consistent with statistical fluctuations and do not demonstrate any real ability.[7] He noted that the best tester was on average 4 millimeters out of 10 meters closer to a mid-line guess, an advantage of 0.0004%. The study's authors responded[8] but Enright remains unconvinced.[9]

      More recently, a study[10] was undertaken in Kassel, Germany, under the direction of the Gesellschaft zur Wissenschaftlichen Untersuchung von Parawissenschaften (GWUP) [Society for the Scientific Investigation of the Parasciences]. The three-day test of some 30 dowsers involved plastic pipes through which a large flow of water could be controlled and directed. The pipes were buried 50 centimeters under a level field. On the surface, the position of each pipe was marked with a colored stripe, so all the dowsers had to do was tell whether there was water running through the pipe. All the dowsers signed a statement agreeing this was a fair test of their abilities and that they expected a 100 percent success rate. However, the results were no better than what would have been expected by chance.

      Some researchers have investigated possible physical or geophysical explanations for dowsing abilities. For example, Soviet geologists have made claims for the abilities of dowsers,[11] which are difficult to account for in terms of the reception of normal sensory cues. Some authors suggest that these abilities may be explained by postulating human sensitivity to small magnetic field gradient changes.[12][13][14]

      One study concludes that dowsers "respond" to a 60 Hz electromagnetic field, but this response does not occur if the kidney area or head are shielded.[15]

      A review of archaeological studies in Iowa suggests that dowsing is ineffective at finding unmarked human burials.[16]
      • Re: Dowsing

        Tue, November 4, 2008 - 11:10 AM
        It sounds like the studies support the claim that dowsing does not work. This is what interests me: if dowsing doesn't work, why did the metal bars move outward whenever I stood above water? I haven't ever done any dowsing since that day with my father as a boy and at the time didn't think anything about it, just took for granted that this was the way to find water underground.

        I'm really curious now as to why the metal bars moved. I'm not psychic nor have I ever had any psychic ability aside from what everybody else experiences on occasion. Today I did some websearches on dowsing and all of the research seems to support that dowsing does not work. Hmmmm.
        • Re: Dowsing

          Tue, November 4, 2008 - 11:48 AM
          Belief + feeling may = non-linear communication of information.....



          The rod may not react to the water ---- but you might well in some way...
          and perhaps in a way that may not be particularly measurable.
          the power of your father's message to you
          may have "initiated" a process in you that accessed
          information in a cumulative way that might not have been accessible
          to any one sense working independently.

          Rob
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    Re: Dowsing

    Fri, December 5, 2008 - 1:48 AM
    Like remote viewing, dowsing takes a lot of practice because the connection is made in the subconscious, and the conscious mind will always try and get in there. That is why it works so well the first time you try it. After a few times, the conscious mind decides to get into the act.

    What is important is that if you are being tested, and there is a general belief that it won't work, it likely won't. if the belief is that it will, it likely will. This is why testing gets such varied results. Personally, I know it works, as does remote viewing; I don't need to see any tests to convince me as I have used it myself and know it works way past the 50/50 mark.

    The reason that the L-Rods moved is because the subconscious after getting the message that this is the spot, moves the muscles microscopically, but enough to make the move happen. Also, the L-Rods would be trained before the session (meaning in reality that the subconscious is trained) as to what the indication would be.
    • Re: Dowsing

      Sun, December 7, 2008 - 3:45 PM
      Re: "Also, the L-Rods would be trained before the session (meaning in reality that the subconscious is trained) as to what the indication would be."

      Yet, when I did it, I didn't even know that we were going to be "dowsing". My dad just said "get in the truck, we gotta drive near the marsh to do some work". He just put the rods in my hands and told me to walk back and forth accross the field. No training. In fact, I had no idea that I was "dowsing" (having never heard of it before). I figured this was just the way to find the water underground. Had no idea it wasn't supposed to work.
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        Re: Dowsing

        Tue, December 9, 2008 - 11:13 AM
        ~~~ Yet, when I did it, I didn't even know that we were going to be "dowsing". ~~~

        Yep, its truly amazing. Your experience is common.

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